I wonder if more could be said on the heart of the conflict. The conflict being with wands, wands to me are a tool for bringing our ambitions to life. Maybe they are working their “magic” for two separately desired outcomes. If they draw on that sun energy, rather than feeling a need to justify or defend their own positions, they may be able to admire how their separately desired outcomes are both rooted in the good of the relationship. They mutually dislike the love that has been lost over this conflict. With their past foundation being in the 10 of cups, admiration for the others efforts may nudge them towards renewal in the ace of cups.
I’m really just here to learn about the Celtic cross, but I got caught up in the story haha.
>>>I wonder if more could be said on the heart of the conflict. The conflict being with wands, >>>wands to me are a tool for bringing our ambitions to life. Maybe they are working their >>>“magic” for two separately desired outcomes.
Undoubtedly you are right, it could be drawn out. And very effectively so if we had an actual querent. In this case our querent and her question are randomly generated based on a weighted formula set up to reflect the average querent and question.
With any actual querent we would of course have at least minimal interaction, which is not possible here. Diving into this story we are dealing with less than a cardboard cutout of a person.
That said, In this spread, I read the 5 of Wands as the conflict itself, with the Knight of Swords symbolizing the nature of that conflict.
Demi posted yesterday her interpretation that the conflict had to do with pregnancy and the lack thereof, and I can see how she could arrive at that conclusion.
>>>If they draw on that sun energy, rather than feeling a need to justify or defend their own >>>positions, they may be able to admire how their separately desired outcomes are both rooted >>>in the good of the relationship.
Oh, yes, exactly! I see this the same as you do, and that is the advice we can give our querent that would prove to be really helpful to her.
>>>I’m really just here to learn about the Celtic cross, but I got caught up in the story haha.
OK. So your profile indicates that you are a Freemason, so I think I can explain how I see the Celtic Cross in a way that might make sense to you.
Ultimately, and I think I've written this before, I didn't like the Celtic Cross for a long time. Decades. But then one day, it sort of came to me that it could be a representation of a Lodge, and then it finally made sense to me.
If we were to diagram this spread, as a Lodge, figure that the 10 of Cups is in the West. The Page of Cups is in the South. 5 of Wands and Knight of Swords are in the position of the Altar and the Blazing Star. The Sun in the North, is "in a place of darkness." Ace of Cups and the vertical half of the Spread together compose the East. (Of course these compass points are all metaphorical.)
The querent 'travels' from West to East, via the South. From what has recently passed behind to what is coming to pass. That in the North is unrecognized, subconscious. That in the center truly is the 'heart of the matter' the Middle Chamber at this moment in time.
When looking at the spread we have two halves. The Cross portion and the Vertical portion. These two halves reflect our Lesser Lights (and all the other representations of trinity in the Lodge). The Sun (vertical portion) The Moon (cross portion) and the Master of the Lodge is the ultimate result. This of course is reflected throughout Masonry, with the pillars and all the triple symbolism. Male-Female-Child. Active-Generative-Result. That the blending of active energies and generative energies that creates our reality.
In this way, the Celtic Cross is a map of our Masonic Lodges.
And I think that is a proper way of considering the Celtic Cross. Because we know from historical documents that the Celtic Cross was utilized (and most likely invented) within the Golden Dawn, and we know that the Golden Dawn was founded, formed, and led by prominent Freemasons. RW Waite of course famously claimed that the spread was 'Ancient' but he was certainly given to poetic license, and I think it much more likely that he would have learned it through the Golden Dawn.
I wonder if more could be said on the heart of the conflict. The conflict being with wands, wands to me are a tool for bringing our ambitions to life. Maybe they are working their “magic” for two separately desired outcomes. If they draw on that sun energy, rather than feeling a need to justify or defend their own positions, they may be able to admire how their separately desired outcomes are both rooted in the good of the relationship. They mutually dislike the love that has been lost over this conflict. With their past foundation being in the 10 of cups, admiration for the others efforts may nudge them towards renewal in the ace of cups.
I’m really just here to learn about the Celtic cross, but I got caught up in the story haha.
>>>I wonder if more could be said on the heart of the conflict. The conflict being with wands, >>>wands to me are a tool for bringing our ambitions to life. Maybe they are working their >>>“magic” for two separately desired outcomes.
Undoubtedly you are right, it could be drawn out. And very effectively so if we had an actual querent. In this case our querent and her question are randomly generated based on a weighted formula set up to reflect the average querent and question.
With any actual querent we would of course have at least minimal interaction, which is not possible here. Diving into this story we are dealing with less than a cardboard cutout of a person.
That said, In this spread, I read the 5 of Wands as the conflict itself, with the Knight of Swords symbolizing the nature of that conflict.
Demi posted yesterday her interpretation that the conflict had to do with pregnancy and the lack thereof, and I can see how she could arrive at that conclusion.
>>>If they draw on that sun energy, rather than feeling a need to justify or defend their own >>>positions, they may be able to admire how their separately desired outcomes are both rooted >>>in the good of the relationship.
Oh, yes, exactly! I see this the same as you do, and that is the advice we can give our querent that would prove to be really helpful to her.
>>>I’m really just here to learn about the Celtic cross, but I got caught up in the story haha.
OK. So your profile indicates that you are a Freemason, so I think I can explain how I see the Celtic Cross in a way that might make sense to you.
Ultimately, and I think I've written this before, I didn't like the Celtic Cross for a long time. Decades. But then one day, it sort of came to me that it could be a representation of a Lodge, and then it finally made sense to me.
If we were to diagram this spread, as a Lodge, figure that the 10 of Cups is in the West. The Page of Cups is in the South. 5 of Wands and Knight of Swords are in the position of the Altar and the Blazing Star. The Sun in the North, is "in a place of darkness." Ace of Cups and the vertical half of the Spread together compose the East. (Of course these compass points are all metaphorical.)
The querent 'travels' from West to East, via the South. From what has recently passed behind to what is coming to pass. That in the North is unrecognized, subconscious. That in the center truly is the 'heart of the matter' the Middle Chamber at this moment in time.
When looking at the spread we have two halves. The Cross portion and the Vertical portion. These two halves reflect our Lesser Lights (and all the other representations of trinity in the Lodge). The Sun (vertical portion) The Moon (cross portion) and the Master of the Lodge is the ultimate result. This of course is reflected throughout Masonry, with the pillars and all the triple symbolism. Male-Female-Child. Active-Generative-Result. That the blending of active energies and generative energies that creates our reality.
In this way, the Celtic Cross is a map of our Masonic Lodges.
And I think that is a proper way of considering the Celtic Cross. Because we know from historical documents that the Celtic Cross was utilized (and most likely invented) within the Golden Dawn, and we know that the Golden Dawn was founded, formed, and led by prominent Freemasons. RW Waite of course famously claimed that the spread was 'Ancient' but he was certainly given to poetic license, and I think it much more likely that he would have learned it through the Golden Dawn.